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Just seen this on the TV, could this be it? Could this be the one that the oil companies are really NOT going to like?

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A British firm based on Teeside says it's designed revolutionary new technology that can produce petrol using air and water.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20003704

Posted October 19, 2012, 13:17:36 PM Logged

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Ok, let me get this straight. They're using air (~78% nitrogen, ~21% oxygen, ~1% other gasses) and water (67% Hydrogen, 33% Oxygen) to make gasoline (petrol)? Ok, we all know that petrol is a hydroCARBON. Water has no carbon, and while air does contain gasses that contain carbon, the percentages of these two gasses are below 1/10th of 1 percent! They're measured in parts per million, for God's sake! SO I ask again... Where's the carbon coming from?

Ok, done ranting blindly. Time to read the article. Smiley If it turns out I was justified in my rant, then I"ll be expanding my expounding. Tongue
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Now see? Neither the headline NOR the "written" article mentions the methanol (contains carbon), NOR the "Alternative Diesel fuel" (also containing carbon) as part of the process. Frankly, I think that the video reporter and the web reporter should at least TRY to get their stories coordinated. Maybe the web reporter should actually WATCH the video?

Anyway, I'll reserve further judgment until 2015, I guess. Smiley
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Yes I agree Dave, the heading is misleading and frankly sounds too good to be true, we all know you can’t get something for nothing, which the title is really trying to portray.

In reality it does seem more like a way of converting bio Diesel fuel to what us Brits call petrol.   
Posted October 19, 2012, 14:26:56 PM Logged

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Sooo, they're using ethanol and DME (which I assume is a bio diesel) to create a high octane fuel (gas/petrol).

They still hit the problem of how much land is required to create the ethanol and DME that is required to make food. If these 2 chemicals can be made efficiently it would help I guess. USA has the highest ethanol content of and gas/petrol already.
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Except, Snowy, it wasn't ethanol, which is extracted from fermented grain, but methanol, which comes, if I remember correctly, from fermented wood(?)

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Methanol, also known as methyl alcohol, wood alcohol, wood naphtha or wood spirits, is a chemical with the formula CH3OH (often abbreviated MeOH). Methanol acquired the name "wood alcohol" because it was once produced chiefly as a byproduct of the destructive distillation of wood. Modern methanol is produced in a catalytic industrial process directly from carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, and hydrogen.
Ok, so I wasn't 100% correct, but it's close enough. Tongue

Anyway, I think we can scratch the land use for methanol. Smiley
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I had to go back to the video to make sure the lass said methanol, just in case, but while I was listening to the video, I noticed this:

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Air Fuel Synthesis in Stockton-on-Tees has produced five litres of petrol since August

And the gentleman in the video said that they had invested/spent a million pounds to date. So doesn't that mean that their product, at this point costs around £909,218GBP per GALLON?!?!?!

And I thought OUR gas prices were high! Tongue
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No Dave, you are wrong.

£909,218GBP per GALLON is about right for UK fule prices  lol

I think I am correct in saying that the UK pay more for their fuel than any other country, or at least more than most countries. 
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Now bear in mind that this was in 1996, but the garage that I was working at at the time had a list of fuel prices world-wide. At the time, petrol in the states was around $1.50-2.00 per gallon, and all the prices were converted to both US gallons and US dollars. If I remember correctly, Russia had prices of around $7.00/gal and Japan was over $9.00/gal. At the time, I think the UK was around $4.50, but I'm not entirely sure. I do know they were in the middle of the list, though.

I was using UK gallons for that earlier calculation, BTW. Smiley
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Ooh! I found THIS!

It lists a LOT of countries, and calculates by litre or gallon, and by euro, GBP and USD. Sweet!
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As I thought, the UK pay more than most countries these days  Cry

Good find Dave  thumbsup     
Posted October 19, 2012, 20:46:13 PM Logged

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It's a bloody shame we don't all live in Venezuela, isn't it? Smiley

From another chart that can actually be READ:
Venezuela    Caracas    $0.12/gal.
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It will come to this one day....

Notice the man never quite answered the interviewer's questions. Typical....I'm not sure whether he was a scientist, politician of salesman! As they say, Sell the Sizzle...not the steak!

Yeah...let's all not hold our breaths for this to come about!
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Maybe I should get involved with something like this because, according to the youngest Leech, I can produce MONEY from thin air.  Tongue
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You probably could, Diesel - If you SOLD the lil' bugger! Tongue  sign-evil-laugh

That is, if you could find a buyer. Cheesy
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