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Reaction to Jules Bianchi's crash at Suzuka

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Offline DD1975 Topic starter
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I was reading this earlier:

http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/24215/9509897/sergio-perez-insists-drivers-views-on-jules-bianchis-crash-will-be-heard

I can't help but think that the modern generation of drivers have got so detached from the danger element of what they do, having seen the horrific and sometimes fatal accidents of the past (which were all too common) it would seem that with all the modern safety features they have forgotten what can sometimes happen when driving at high speed.

While it would appear that a different set of actions may have prevented the accident people have got so used to seeing drivers walk away from accidents that would have seriously injured or even killed drivers of the past (such as this one) that they can't seem to process the dangers inherent in motor racing any more.
Posted October 09, 2014, 19:50:29 PM
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Offline Data
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I think you are probably right there DD, while the crash was obviously a bad thing it did happen under double waved yellow flags, those flags mean "SLOW DOWN" for a reason.

This link says a lot, don't click it if you don't want to see the unfortunate accident.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/11145265/Jules-Bianchi-crash-shocking-video-emerges-of-Japanese-Grand-Prix-accident.html

Please get well soon Jules.
Posted October 09, 2014, 20:17:11 PM Logged

Offline DD1975 Topic starter
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I've already seen it, there's no doubt had he been in an older car he wouldn't have survived the impact.
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You know that car had to have been going very, very fast, considering the impact LIFTED that recovery vehicle over 3 feet in the air, and moved it over SIX feet horizontally, especially when you also consider that the recovery vehicle weighs well over 10 times (possibly even more) what the F1 car does. That's a huge amount of energy transferred. Shocked
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When I was young (back to the previous century), pilots were dying every weekend (horrible, mostly burning in their car). I thought that Lucien and Mauro Bianchi both disappeared but... surprise, I recently saw an interview with Mauro talking about Jules (before the drama). I hope Jules will survive, like his grandfather. thumbsup


Posted October 10, 2014, 14:03:24 PM Logged

Offline DD1975 Topic starter
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Those were the types of accident I was referring too GT, although the worst one was quite probably Tom Pryce hitting the marshall at 160mph in South Africa in 1977.
Posted October 10, 2014, 16:00:58 PM Logged
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Offline Snowcrash
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That's the first I've seen of the accident. I was watching the GP but was wondering why they hadn't moved Sutil's car. Then it was red flagged, which wasn't too surprising. Then the news broke about Bianchi. Now I see why I couldn't see his car. Ouch.
I'm sure there's a little schadenfreude in all of us but get well soon Bianchi.
There are calls for cockpit canopies to make the cars safer for this type of accident. I'm not sure it would've helped him anyway. It will make the driver hotter or in need of AC.
If they limit the cars to 20MPH, I'm sure they car make it a lot safer. How do you design a car for a freak accident like this. If the recovery vehicle wasn't there, he'd have hit the barrier and be a little banged up. A lesser car with this accident would've taken his head off.
Posted October 10, 2014, 17:57:48 PM Logged
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Offline Data
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The latest idea is to have a virtual safety car in the yellow flag areas.

I think that means some kind of speed limiter will be activated on the cars in the affected areas.

Seems like a good idea.
Posted October 11, 2014, 11:41:47 AM
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I'm not so sure, Data. To have one's engine suddenly change power while in the middle of certain situations (e.g. coming into/out of a curve) could be unsafe, due to changes in the vehicle's handling characteristics. While I'm sure it wouldn't be common, the chances of a driver losing just enough control to, say, bump into another driver, or (God forbid) go careening off the track would certainly exist.

When I was younger, I owned a 1972 Oldsmobile Toronado. It had a huge engine (7.5 Liters), and weighed over 2 US tons. The thing was a friggin' land-yacht, and of course, I drove it like it was a race car. Smiley Anyways, when it went around tight right-hand corners too fast, the fuel pickup inside the carb would suddenly be exposed to air, instead of fuel, which usually resulted in the engine cutting out at the moment I was either at, or just past, the apex of the turn, and that in turn would change the handling of the car to the point where loss of control was a real danger. Let me tell you that the first time that happened to me scared the living BEJESUS out of me! Shocked Cheesy

So you can now see why I think that a "virtual safety car" may not be a great idea. Smiley
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1972 was a good year, you made it through OK Dave, it made me  Grin when I read about your 7.5 L, 2 US ton beast  Shocked Smiley

I should think the drivers will be pre-warned of the "virtual safety car area" over the radio and there would still be yellow flags a waving so the drivers will know it's coming. 

The tracks are divided into 3 sectors so it could start at the beginning of any of them.

Of course that is all speculation on my part but point taken about the losing control possibilities. 
Posted October 11, 2014, 19:16:17 PM Logged

Offline DD1975 Topic starter
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I would expect that there would be a button for the driver to press in the same way as the pit lane limiter.
Posted October 13, 2014, 09:24:13 AM Logged
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Offline Snowcrash
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That's not fair on Button. Who does he press?  scratch-head

I just does this sort of thing for the attention.  Embarrassed
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Offline DD1975 Topic starter
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The way things are looking he may not have to worry about it next season  Sad
Posted October 14, 2014, 08:26:30 AM Logged
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Offline Data
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Yeah I would be gutted if Button doesn't get a drive for next year.

In changing weather conditions not many can read the track like Jenson, he tends to bring the car home in the points even when the car isn't really up to it.

A solid wise head he has.
Posted October 15, 2014, 12:01:00 PM Logged

Offline DD1975 Topic starter
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He may not be the quickest driver in the paddock but probably is the best all round package.

With his experience and the well known technical aspect to his driving and developing a car it would be daft if someone doesn't pick him up for a drive if McLaren let him go
Posted October 15, 2014, 16:52:03 PM Logged
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