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Offline Data Topic starter
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Been gaming quite a lot recently with some new games, F1 2012, the Witcher 2 and now Assassins Creed 3 and I'm noticing my rig isn't quite as fast as it used to be in games, maxing them out is now causing lower frame rates than I am used to and its becoming necessary for me to lower the quality settings.

So what is causing the slowdown?

It is partly game dependant as some games are made for consoles then get imported to PC so they are not optimised for the platform but on average It's my old Q9400 CPU that is causing the bottleneck, the CPU just isn't quite up to scratch any more for the latest games. 

Leaving me with 2 options.

1. A new system with the best CPU I can afford at its heart.

2. Try to get my hands on the best socket 775 CPU I can and squeeze a bit more life out of this rig, the best being a Q9650, , it has 12meg cache and should clock up to 4 Ghz.

I'm not going to do anything straight away, a new build is probably out of my price range anyway and people are asking a lot of money for a secondhand Q9650, but the problem is there and will have to be addressed at some point.

Just thought I would post that Smiley
Posted January 25, 2013, 12:53:13 PM Logged

Offline Freddy
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Data my good friend, I have been looking at my upgrade path too this week.  I had a brief look at the i5 and i7s.

I cannot decide either.  I thought about upgrading my motherboard (775) so it had the possibility of using crossfire.

Or when the time comes just upgrade with a cpu+board bundle.  To be honest I haven't really looked around much yet but I have seen some tempting things.

I've been playing EVE Online a bit lately and the graphics are lovely in that.  I tend not to play those high frame rate games myself like F1 or FPSs.  Not saying I wouldn't though...

Are they making new 775 boards still ?  Would it be a bit of a technological dead end ?  Would I have to upgrade sooner again ?  That's the kind of thing I am wondering.

And the new boards have usb3 and faster sata for our lovely SSDs  Cool

 hmm
Posted January 25, 2013, 13:21:05 PM Logged

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people are asking a lot of money for a secondhand Q9650
I remember those going for close to 1k when they first came out. Might be a while more before you can get a super deal. Seen a few on e-bay for around 255 - 300 usd.

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I had a brief look at the i5 and i7s. I cannot decide either.
Freddy I would advise against an 15 if you plan on doing any gaming, or graphics work. The way I look at an i5's is they are made for netbooks or mom and pop desktops.


Posted January 25, 2013, 13:24:32 PM Logged

Offline Data Topic starter
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Just to add a bit more validity to this, here is my WEI and it is clearly showing the CPU as being the slowest part of the system, combine that with my own testing and monitoring of resources in game and the weak point is my CPU.

I have a job on but I will be back to chat about this later Freddy and Syber. 


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Posted January 25, 2013, 13:29:41 PM Logged

Offline sybershot
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That cpu score is not all that bad, Is game frame-rates actually that bad? Also are these steam games? only reason I ask that is I thought steam handled all muscle needed for the games. Note: I have not looked into steam much, just an inquiring mind Smiley

I will be out for a bit as well today, so I might not be back around for a few hours myself, so no worries Data, Don't work to hard Cheesy
Posted January 25, 2013, 13:50:19 PM Logged

Offline Data Topic starter
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@Freddy, socket 775 is dead now, best to forget about it and move on, unless like me you were thinking about a Q9650 then it will fit in the mobo you have now.
Would love to play you in F1 2012 though, maybe one day I will convince you Smiley 

@Syber, I am a bit of a snob when it comes to frame rate, in a perfect world I like to see 50FPS but I can accept 30, anything less than 30 is what I would class as not good enough. The latest games are pushing the boundaries, yes they look amazing on maximum quality but need one hell of a rig to run them fast and smooth.
And don't panic I didn't work too hard  Wink   

Been looking at CPU speeds and WEI scores and I have decided that the WEI score is not perfect but it is actually quite good at helping us make a balanced PC, when gaming the PC will either bottleneck by the CPU or the GPU and the WEI will give a close representation of what is going to crap out first, i.e. the lowest score. 

Now that brings me to which modern CPU has the best score, some i5's actually score lower than my overclocked Q9400 and the i7's don't seem to have moved on that much or not as much as I would have liked Smiley

Still mulling it over but I can't help think that a Q9650 at a good price would be worth a shot.

But then there is other advantages to a new rig too as Freddy said, SATA 3, USB 3 and faster memory as well.
Posted January 25, 2013, 15:12:29 PM Logged

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Posted January 25, 2013, 16:01:24 PM Logged

Offline Freddy
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Not bad at all.  I have my eye on an Asus one but for me this is just going to be chit chat as my winter fuel bill came through the letter box this morning and left a dent in the carpet... so no three monitors for me yet, let alone upgrades lol
Posted January 25, 2013, 16:30:54 PM Logged

Offline Data Topic starter
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It's chit chat for me too mate, Mrs Data wouldn't let me spend the cash.

I have a feeling the only one of us who could just go and get it and not even notice the cost would be Snowy, oh to have a single persons life and a well paying job Smiley

Still, I'm up to a game of F1 on this old banger of a puter if you are Freddy Smiley
Posted January 25, 2013, 16:41:53 PM
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Offline Freddy
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I think we will have to be patient  Grin

 eeeek
Posted January 25, 2013, 16:56:45 PM Logged

Offline DD1975
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I reckon it's coming time for me to get an upgrade.....although I suspect a new rig will probably be the order of the day.

Posted January 25, 2013, 17:09:33 PM Logged
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Offline sybershot
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60 frames a second that's possible  Tongue
looks like I need a new graphics card  scratch-head
Posted January 25, 2013, 17:21:15 PM Logged

Offline Snowcrash
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I have a feeling the only one of us who could just go and get it and not even notice the cost would be Snowy, oh to have a single persons life and a well paying gob Smiley

I hope that's a typo and you meant 'job'. What are you insinuating? I get paid for using my gob?
Posted January 25, 2013, 23:23:16 PM Logged
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Offline Data Topic starter
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Sorry about that Snowy  Head Slap

This guy has eliminated possible CPU and GPU bottlenecks, not sure the Crossfire is doing much good though.   


Posted January 26, 2013, 13:22:28 PM Logged

Offline Snowcrash
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Both cards at 50% is prob like one card at 75%
Looks like this game is more processor hungry.
Posted January 26, 2013, 13:30:02 PM Logged
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