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Offline sybershot Topic starter
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I need one pc that I can have all my digital creative programs on, (cs4, cs5, 3Ds, open office,freemind, etc.) I don't want this pc to have internet access and eventually have a raid setup for recovery.
I need another pc for that has limited connectivity so Ultra hal can access info off the web, and I can upload files to the internet. Like web pages for my website, ultra hal back ups to skydrive etc.
Finally I need one pc to have full internet access for surfing the web, skype, IM, etc.

right now I have 3 pc's to perform these functions. I also need them to be networked, either 3 networked together or 2 pc's connected to one server. 

my current main rig: this computer will have no internet connectivity, it's primary function will be a workstation. It is where I will be coding, designing graphics, etc. etc. etc.. Option to be a pc or application server.

mini Itx board: This pc will have limited internet access and it will be used to upload my work to the web, have ultra Hal installed, and play all my media.

laptop, this will have full internet connection and is what I will use to surf the web.

mp problem is deciding the best way to network these three computers together.

1) turn my main rig into a application server
2) use a switch to connect all 3
3) wireless connect using windows7 network feature

all 3 has there pro's and cons, and I'm having trouble deciding which way to go. So I figured I'd ask all of you, what would you do?
Posted May 05, 2012, 20:54:27 PM Logged

Offline Diesel
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Good evening Syber, what you are after is extraordinarily simple, even for a pea brain like me.  Cheesy Now, as you know, I know little or nothing about what makes a computer do what it does, however, I do know a bit about net working.

What you are after already exists within your OS. Simply choose which machine will administer the net work then limit what, if any, inter net access  the other machine have via their IP address.

A bit of a maggot to set up, but it will achieve what your after.  Tongue

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Posted May 05, 2012, 21:28:33 PM Logged
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Offline sybershot Topic starter
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Thanks for the reply Diesel ,
I really appreciate you taking you time to chime in share your knowledge.  thumbsup

my problem is choosing which way to go about this, the way you described is option 3, out my my 3 available options.

Option 3 has a great amount of pro's, but the main con is that it has the highest vulnerability to outside threats.  however it is the cheapest and easiest way to go.


Posted May 05, 2012, 22:12:22 PM Logged

Offline Diesel
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Not quite sure what is meant by outside threats ?. Whether you mean threats to your web site or net work. If it's the latter, surely, provided you security on all machines is upto date, vulnerability will remain constant to today.
Posted May 05, 2012, 22:18:15 PM Logged
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Offline sybershot Topic starter
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I  did mean the latter, and yes I am up to date on security. I was just stating (which I could possible be wrong) that it has the highest vulnerability. The other choices are vulnerability as well. I believe that unless the intruder is not a beginner, which most that would attempt to invade my network would be, it would be easiest to invade my network if I choose option 3. To invade the other two choices, one would have to have more skills than the average beginner. Or am I wrong in thinking this?
Posted May 05, 2012, 22:51:44 PM Logged

Offline DaveMorton
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Personally, I'd just do a straight up network setup through a router, then use the router's administration functionality to limit access to the one with limited internet, and completely block access to the other one. What I don't understand is the "why". Are these boxes going to be in a place where the general public (or a small portion of it) will have unsupervised access during some part of the day? If so, then simply set the computers with a strong password, and a quick screen saver, and tell Windows to lock the systems when the screen saver pops up. This should be especially true for your coding workstation. When I'm coding, I'm constantly getting on the net, looking for example scripts, or trying to find better ways to do things, and if I didn't have internet access on my workstation, I'd go stark raving looney! Shocked
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Offline Diesel
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Of course the other way to achieve this Dave, as you know, is to use the full access machine to scan what your looking for, download this information and simply file share within your own net work. The way I have my net work set up, anyone wishing to join the net work, has to receive administrative consent, thanks to your advise.  thumbsup
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Offline DaveMorton
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Dunno, Diesel. That would mean switching to another computer, which would interrupt my work-flow. The way I see it, anything that doesn't feed my laziness, engage my curiosity, fuel my passions or stroke my ego is inherently evil, and must be either avoided or destroyed. Tongue
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Of course the other way to achieve this Dave, as you know, is to use the full access machine to scan what your looking for, download this information and simply file share within your own net work.
exactly what I was planning to do.

To answer your question about computers being in public Dave, My computers are never available to the public but I have 4 kids with laptops now that bring them outside and let there friends on.
Posted May 05, 2012, 23:22:25 PM Logged

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Dunno, Diesel. That would mean switching to another computer, which would interrupt my work-flow. The way I see it, anything that doesn't feed my laziness, engage my curiosity, fuel my passions or stroke my ego is inherently evil, and must be either avoided or destroyed. Tongue
lol that's funny, To be honest I been using my main rig and laptop simultaneously now for a while. I don't have dual monitors and this is a great way for me to utilize my main rigs screens real-estate. I however have to use a usb stick to transfer any files, hence the reason for needing a network.

EDIT: I placed bold tags around the comment part, that I thought was funny. I would not want anyone to think I thought the whole comment was funny.
Posted May 05, 2012, 23:29:38 PM
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Offline Data
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I agree with Dave, I need my work machine to be connected to the web and for the same reasons too, i.e finding pieces of code, images and being able to up-load to the web to test pages or alike.

If I didn’t know better It sounds like Syber is falling into the paranoia trap.

I would say:

Don’t let the hackers win  Evil

And Diesel, you posted what sounds like pretty good advice to me, I am quietly impressed  Cheesy

For me I think it would have to be option 2 or 3.
Posted May 06, 2012, 12:28:11 PM Logged

Offline sybershot Topic starter
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Thanks for everyone input. Greatly appreciated.
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If I didn’t know better It sounds like Syber is falling into the paranoia trap.
not really worried about hackers, but it is a concern. I'm worried about my kids and there friends.  The conversation just turned into threats instead of which way one would go.
The main reason I asked is because I'm quite tired of having files here there and everywhere.  Yesterday I just removed close to 200GB of files off my laptop. I tried to organize the transfer as best as possible, but with close to 1 TB of unorganized files on my main rig this was pretty hard to do. I have to organize my main desktops files now and all the files on my portable HHD's next.

 :scratch-head:I figure if I limit my computers to certain functions, My files will stay more organized. That is one reason for the thought of an application server.
Having kids with laptops and friends that use them causes some concern for me. Reason being for I know how curious/devious a kid can be. especially if they are anything like I was when I was a teen. I can't tell you how many times I was curious/devious  Tongue

 
Posted May 07, 2012, 02:44:28 AM Logged

Offline DaveMorton
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There's always the option of 2 routers, you know. The first router holds the "unsecure" network, and has an IP address range of 192.168.1.x, and is setup the standard way. The second, "secure" network is handled by the second router, and has an IP address range of 192.168.2.x, and has a custom configuration that allows you to connect to the internet, but each router controls it's own LAN, and only computers behind the second router can see what's on that secure LAN. It's a bit tricky to set up, but it prevents unwanted intrusions (except from experienced hackers).

Take a look at http://vonage.nmhoy.net/tworouters.html and scroll down to the section entitled Option 2: Chained LAN to get an idea of what I'm referring to. Granted, the second "router" in that example is a Vonage box, but the principle is identical with a router, because that's really all a Vonage box is. Smiley
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Offline sybershot Topic starter
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Thanks Dave the another option to consider  :thumbsup:I forgot about that way, I read on mp3car dot com ago that someone actually used a dual router. that was the first time I heard of doing that.
Posted May 07, 2012, 05:39:44 AM Logged
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