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Offline Snowcrash Topic starter
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Good race with lots of wheel to wheel action to keep you on the front of your seat.

Weirdly, all the podium drivers were not happy with where they were. Vettel got first by disobeying team orders and demoting Webber into second. Webber was very unhappy with that. Vettel said sorry.
Hamilton got third but was under fuelled and had to back off near the end. Rosberg was unhappy to stay behind Hamilton due to feeling he was faster but obeyed his team orders, after a little to-ing and fro-ing.
A poor old Alonso was out in the first lap due to a broken front wing, he decided to stay out, rather than pit and it failed on the main straight taking him out.
All in all a good race but the drivers a little sour at the end. Results.

I did like the BBC's choice of track at the end!
Posted March 24, 2013, 17:19:09 PM Logged
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Was a good race, I enjoyed it.

Mclaren still need to up their game, the car seems better than it was in Australia but still a way to go yet.

After the last race I thought RedBull might not be so dominant this year, but I was wrong, at the end of the race RB were totally dominant.

Good to see Hamilton on the podium, but it probably should have been Rosberg.

Am I the only one who thinks Vettel should have overtaken Webber, come the end of the season RB might look back at it and think it was a smart move by Vettel after all.   

I've never liked team orders but understand why they are there. 
Posted March 24, 2013, 19:20:23 PM Logged

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Posted March 24, 2013, 20:06:38 PM Logged
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Offline DD1975
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Am I the only one who thinks Vettel should have overtaken Webber, come the end of the season RB might look back at it and think it was a smart move by Vettel after all.   


It would appear that you are in a minority on this one Data, in fact some feel very strongly indeed about this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/21922429

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/21917899

http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/news/12475/8594530/The-Sky-Sports-F1-pundits-spy-a-huge-problem-at-Red-Bull-after-Malaysian-GP-row
Posted March 25, 2013, 17:48:56 PM Logged
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Offline Data
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Yeah, Like I said, I've never liked team orders, Vettel was faster than Webber, I want to see the fastest car/driver combination win and not some pre defined, engineered by the team result.

Team orders might be good for the team but not good for the spectators.
Posted March 25, 2013, 18:36:10 PM Logged

Offline Snowcrash Topic starter
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I'm with you Data, I liked watching the wheel to wheel action and sod the team orders. I feel they're there for the end of the season when only one driver can win.
This is not new, in general, and for the Red Bull team. There has been many comments from Webber over the years. One that springs to mind is 'not bad for a number 2 driver'.
As for a one race ban for Vettel. No way will Red Bull shoot themselves in the foot that way and rightly so. That is for the FIA only and then only for dangerous driving or infringement of the rules.
No matter what Vettel says, his actions have asserted his dominance within the team. Webber will hate it, who wouldn't? When it comes down to Webber playing fair in later races, I'm sure he'll think twice.
Roll on the show, let the race to the championship continue.
Posted March 25, 2013, 21:18:24 PM Logged
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Offline DD1975
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Personally I'm with Watson there should only be one dominant force in a team and that is the team principle, any other employee in any other line of work would be sacked for ingoring his bosses orders o blatantly.

Horner also publicly rebuked Vettel, the first time this has happened which shows I think how miffed he was.

Team orders are a nonsense, however while you have two drivers in a team you will always get them simple as that. At this stage in the season with the tyres degredation being such an unknown quantity it makes sense for the team to consolodate its 1-2 postions, and it was only a race because one backed off in the belief that he wasn't going to be challended for position.
Posted March 26, 2013, 18:20:50 PM Logged
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Hehe, we will have to agree to disagree.

This is what I like though, some quality debate. 

When I think back over the years of F1 the best drivers are the ruthless ones who would do whatever it takes to win the championship, to my mind Vettel is doing just that.

I can't help but think there is a lot of anti Vettel talk to try to stop him winning another season, but it probably wont work, he is still looking super fast and of course ruthless.

May the fastest Car / Driver combination win in 2013 and sod the Team Orders.
Posted March 27, 2013, 12:13:48 PM Logged
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